Interviewed – Joceli Ramos Bezerra
Date – May 24, 2009.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Say your name, your age, address, profession, and everything that you use do.

JOCELI – My name is Joceli Ramos Bezerra; I’m 57 years old; I live at 211 Aldary Nunes – Santo Lourenco – Serra, Espirito Santo. I’m married with Claudialucia Nascimento Bezerra.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Do you have kids?

JOCELI – Yes. I have one boy 20-years-old, and a little by 3-years-old.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – When did you get married?

JOCELI – It was on 1986.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – When did you been born?

JOCELI – I was born on November 6, 1951.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – it was you who built this house?

JOCELI – Yes.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – When?

JOCELI - In 1989

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – It was you the first one occupier?

JOCELY – Yes.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Did you left this when Holy Mother started to delivery her things?

JOCELI – Nao. When I was living here, already was started her manifestation concern the leaves.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Do you remember the date fall the first one leaf?

JOCELI – No. I really don’t know. Cidinha accompanied us, ok? I just remember that was in 1996.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – It was on winter or summer season?

JOCELI – No, it on springer season; on September.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – How could you understand that was Holy Mother who sent this leaf?

JOCELI – Well, I understand that in the earth, hardly, we could make little hols like these ones was made on de leaf; even I got because of what is wrote down on it.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Suddenly did you realize that the human beings could not make it?

JOCELI – Yes.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – How could you know that it was Holy Mother?

JOCELI – Well, just because of the manifestation!

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Which manifestation?

JOCELI – Well, her manifestation… like we find a done leaf on the floor!

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – What headed you to believe that the message was coming from Holy Mother?

JOCELI – My faith!

FATHER RENE ALURENTIN – It was even Cidinha to say to you that was Holy Mother?

JOCELI – Yes, it was. The first one found leaf was a cross designed on a mango leaf. Cidinha was who found it.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – It was she to say to you that was a leaf from Holy Mother?

JOCELI – Yes, she said.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Does this event about first leaf, confirmed and increased your faith?

JOCELI – Absolutely!

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – What does insights of this event changed about your life?

JOCELI – Well, my oldest one kid was sick, after that, by our faith in Maria, he got healthy.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Could you tell us what kind of disease he suffered about?

JOCELI - He suffered allergy about everything; even he asthmatic bronchitis.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – How old was him at that time?

JOCELI – He was 3-years-old.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – How old is he now?

JOCELI – Now he is 20-years-old.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – What does he do now?

JOCELI – He study and work.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – How about you, do you work?

JOCELI – I work on the Social Insurance Institute at Serra City Hall.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – it belongs to City Hall administration?

JOCELI – Yes and no. it is not directly, but the Institute give services to the City Hall administration.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – it was difficult to find others home, when this one was coming to be a Sanctuary?

JOCELI – Look, at the beginning it was. But, Cidinha started to move to provide it because Maria instructed her concern that.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Who paid the house?

JOCELI – Volunteers, by donations.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – How long later you leaf this house?

JOCELI – Well, I thing about seven years after first leaf!

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Does the new house is bigger than this one for your children?

JOCELI – It is enough.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Does the new one is bigger than this one?

JOCELI – It is the same square meters.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – How many trees there are in the garden of this house?

JOCELI – It is about 12 trees.

FATER RENE LAURENTIN – What kind of tree there are here?

JOCELI – I will cite just some of them; jack fruit tree, avocado, orange, mango, guava, start fruit tree… etc.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – There have nuts tree?

JOCELI – Yes.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – There have acacia with white flowers/

JOCELI – Nao.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – It was, who planted the trees?

JOCELI – Some of them was. Some another already was here.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Do you have anything else to tell us?

JOCELI – No.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Does before start this phenomenon; do you use to go attend Mass regularly? Were you catholic?

JOCELI – Absolutely! I always was catholic. I were baptized and married under religious wedding. My spouse and I did course TO BE prepared to get married.

FATHER RENE LAURENTIN – Thanks so much.

END ALL INTERVIEWS.